The debate over ultra-processed foods is "absolutely" overblown and "ridiculous," epidemiologist Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz said. "Most of what we measure when we talk about ultra-processed food is not the processing steps. It's not the number of steps it takes to go from field to plate," he told PBS News' Geoff Bennett. "Instead, we measure sort of these vague concepts of how many ingredients a food has, how many things that you don't keep in your kitchen. But that's not what processing is." "What